Q & A with Cardinal on Sex Abuse Crisis 10th Anniversary

The PR machine of the Boston Archdiocese must be very pleased with the coverage received of Cardinal O’Malley marking the tenth anniversary of the Boston Globe breaking the clergy sexual abuse story in 2002.  Articles and interviews were published just about everywhere.  BCI wonders how much time was expended by the Cardinal in interviews that could have been spent on governing the diocese instead.

Be that as it may, below is one of the many interviews published. This one was with John Allen at the National Catholic Reporter and it was sent by a BCI reader. BCI does not hold that publication in high regard, but since these questions were a little different that others, we decided to share.

The situation in Boston Ten years after the explosion of the crisis, has Boston recovered?
O’Malley: “Recovered” isn’t the word I would use. I think we’re in a better place, but the trauma and the suffering is something that will mark us for a long time, maybe forever. To say that we’ve recovered, or that this is behind us, is wrong. It’s something we have to live with.

Why do you think you’re in a better place? When I first came, there was such anger, such pain, on the part of the victims, in the parishes and among the priests. In some quarters, there was almost despair. People wanted to know how the church was going to react. On top of everything else, we were also in financial free-fall. The seminary had emptied out. There was just great, great pain, great anger.

You believe that’s diminished?
I feel as though there’s much greater peace in our parishes and among our people. So many people have come together to help us respond to the crisis and to try to rebuild trust and to bring healing, to offer outreach to those who were most affected … the victims, their families and the parishes where they lived. As a community, we’ve tried to assure people that we were taking this seriously and we would do everything we could to make sure it didn’t happen again. There was a massive education program. Literally thousands of people volunteered to help us with it in the parishes and the schools. Screenings have gone on. The work of the review boards has been invaluable, to have an independent lay voice advising the bishop on these affairs. I think a lot has taken place that has helped to move us beyond the initial crisis stage.

Is there unfinished business in Boston?
Trying to make the victims feel welcomed and understood is always going to be a challenge. We’ve tried to help our priests to be able to counsel the families and individuals who were most affected, but as time goes on, you discover more people you were unaware of before. One of our ongoing commitments is to provide counseling services to victims of abuse. We have some wonderful people in our outreach office who have done yeoman’s work, who have been the merciful face of the church to people in their suffering. They’ve been instrumental in bringing people for retreats and Masses, and other spiritual events in their lives, to help them with the healing process. That’s a continuing challenge, and we can’t ever think that it’s finished or resolved.

How are you still reaching out to victims?
This Saturday, I’ll have a Mass, as I do every Advent, for a group of victims and families. At one point, we had a novena between the feast of the Ascension and Pentecost, stretching over nine days, when we went to what we determined were the nine parishes most affected by the abuse crisis. It was a very moving ceremony. We had the victims give testimony. We had readings, prayers, songs, healing prayers. I invited priests to come with me, and many, many priests came. At one point in the service, we all prostrated on the sanctuary floor. We had literally thousands of people come during the course of that novena. Many people told me it was the first time they’d been back to church, and it really was a turning point in their lives. Obviously, there are still people who are angry and alienated, but there are others who wanted to find a path back. One of the very tragic aspects of the whole abuse crisis is that many of the children who were abused came from families that were very connected to their parishes and to the church. The sense of betrayal was so great because these were people who had such affection and loyalty for the church. Their path back was all the harder because the break was so dramatic.

Did the crisis hurt Mass attendance?
At least according to our studies, the secularization of this area was already eating away at Mass attendance. There doesn’t seem to be a dramatic hit as a result of the crisis. My theory is that those who were involved in their parishes, who knew their parish priest, for example — they were saddened and disappointed [by the crisis], but most of those people survived spiritually in the church. The more ‘cultural’ Catholics, people who come to church a couple of times a year and were sort of at arm’s length from the church, are now at two arms’ length. They’re the ones who are so overwhelmed by the reporting and media attention without having a relationship with the parish that allows them to see another side of the church. For the people who are connected to their parish, in some ways I think they’ve become stronger in their faith. The seminary situation may be another example. At the beginning, priests were encouraging me to close the seminary. Today we’re scrambling because we don’t have enough room, and the young men who are coming do so with a sense that they want to do something to help the church. They know the church needs them.

What are the numbers?
For the archdiocese, we have over 70, and St. John’s Seminary in total has over 100. When I got here, the archdiocese had maybe 15 or 20. … I think the crisis has caused a lot of Catholics to look into their hearts to see what they could do to help the church, to make themselves more available.

What about money?
As I said, when I came, we were in financial free-fall. We had a $15 million annual operational deficit. We owed $35 million to the Knights of Columbus. The hospitals were losing $40 million a year. The lay pension fund was failing, the priests’ pension fund was failing and there were a thousand lawsuits against us. Today the debts are paid and we’re in the black. This building [the pastoral center in Braintree] was a gift from an Irish immigrant. People have been contributing a lot to improve the Catholic schools. We’ve gotten a lot of very generous gifts from Catholics and from people outside the Catholic church, from the Jewish community and others, who have been very supportive.

Where do you think the U.S. church stands vis-à-vis the crisis?
Once again, I think we’re in a much better place. The leadership that Wilton Gregory [now archbishop of Atlanta, who was president of the bishops’ conference in 2002] gave in responding quickly, coming up with policies that were clear, was very, very helpful. What’s the work that still needs to be done? Obviously, the implementation of the policies is very important. Where we’ve gotten into trouble is where they haven’t been followed. I think the audits are very important. If the audits had been working better, I think some of the problems, such as in Philadelphia, could have been avoided. [Note: In February, a grand jury found that as many as 37 priests in the Philadelphia archdiocese remained active despite facing accusations of abuse.]

It seems those bishops who have worked hardest to implement the policies are those who were the most upset about Philadelphia, because it undercuts the credibility of their efforts.  Is that your sense?
Exactly. I think everywhere in the country, there was kind of a gasp. Once again, I think if we would have had a better audit process, there would have been earlier warnings. That’s going to be very important going forward, to be able to assure people that we’re not walking away from this or becoming complacent. Each year we have to go back and look at what a local church is doing. Where are they falling down? Where do they need to improve? Certainly, the reporting [of accusations to police and prosecutors] is a no-brainer.

The other recent upheaval has been in Kansas City, which is a watershed moment — the first criminal indictment of a sitting American bishop.  What lessons would you derive from that episode?
The bishops need to be very attentive, and make sure that the people working with the bishop are people he can really trust, who have a commitment to child safety and will work diligently to make sure the policies are scrupulously followed. The bishop needs to be on top of that.

Do you have any thoughts on a new system of accountability that would convince the world the church is taking this seriously?
That’s a hard one. I don’t know. In Boston, the archbishop resigned, and there have been bishops elsewhere [who have resigned]. All I can say is that bishops should be accountable, and we have to keep working on it.

There tend to be two schools of thought about the roots of the crisis. One is that there’s something unique to the church, or its clerical culture, that produced this mess. The other is that it’s more a product of standard institutional dynamics — the tendency of a professional class to protect its own members, of managers to avoid airing their problems in public and so on. Which do you find more persuasive?
The situation at Penn State and other places shows us that many institutions, historically, have not dealt with the problem in the way they should. It’s easier to hide it or to deny it. I think the incidence of sexual abuse in the church is no higher than in other institutions, and it’s probably lower. Since we have begun to come to grips with the problem, putting policies in place and trying to be transparent, the incidence of abuse has been reduced dramatically.

To me, the most disappointing thing about the John Jay report is that they went into a lot of speculative stuff. I wish they would have just underlined how the study indicated that once the church began to take this seriously, the incidence [of abuse] dropped off very, very dramatically.

 As opposed to news headlines that the bishops blame the 1960s for their problems?
Exactly; or getting into the debate over homosexuality, for instance. It obscured the good news. In Boston, we’ve had one case [of clerical sex abuse] in the last 10 years.

Here’s another element of unfinished business some people would flag: false allegations. There’s a view among some observers that at the beginning of the crisis, false allegations were exceedingly rare, but today the percentage is on the rise.
Is that your impression?
I think that’s true, but I also think that false accusations are still few and far between. I think there’s more danger of [false allegations] now, because there are a lot of dead priests who are being accused, and it’s often very hard to establish if those allegations have merit. Some bishops feel trapped because they’ve got a set of policies that, in their eyes, do not adequately protect the reputations and due process rights of the accused.

Is that a frustration you feel?
This is where I think the importance of the independent review board is so great. A good board includes victims, relatives of victims, judges, social workers and so forth. When a group like that looks at a case and says, “This is not a serious accusation,” it has credibility.

By that point, a priest has been publicly identified as an accused abuser and removed from ministry. But when someone is restored to ministry, that’s the Good Housekeeping seal of approval. Is that enough to undo the damage?
I don’t think it undoes the damage or the trauma the priest has suffered. I do think, however, that when someone has been exonerated and returned to ministry, our experience is that he’s accepted and there have been very few times when there’s any pushback.

* * * The personal dimension

Have you ever added up how many hours you’ve spent meeting victims?
No, but I was meeting with victims 10 years before I came to Boston. In the early 1990s, in my first couple of years in Fall River, a huge amount of my time was spent with victims and their families. In Palm Beach, it was more dealing with parishes. Since coming here, I’ve spent many, many hours meeting with hundreds of individuals.

Over the arc of your career, are we talking about thousands of hours? Possibly, when you factor in the other dioceses and the hours in Ireland.

What’s the key to reconciling victims with the church?
Quite often, the victims who want to see the bishop are the ones looking for a path to reconnect with God [and] with their faith. Not all of them, but a lot of them are looking for closure. In many cases, when a victim asks to see the bishop, it’s because they’re looking for a path home.

Does it frustrate you that public conversation is dominated by the victims who are still alienated while we rarely hear from those who have been reconciled?
No, because I think it’s very understandable. A lot of the people who have been reconciled are not anxious for the glare of attention. It would be wonderful if people had more awareness, I suppose, but I’m not surprised or even disappointed, because I think there’s a certain interior logic to the situation.

What personal toll has the crisis taken on you?
I think it makes you depend more on God than your own devices, because it’s so overwhelming. The hours with the victims, sharing their suffering, is obviously hard, but it’s a privileged form of ministry. In the priesthood, I believe that when we’re able to minister to those who are suffering, we’re able to reflect the presence of the Good Shepherd more than ever. I haven’t experienced many people, other than perhaps the families of people who have committed suicide, who have suffered more than families touched by sexual abuse by the clergy.

Has seeing all that suffering ever given you a moment of doubt?
Doubt, no. It makes me more certain of God’s mercy. The more we experience evil, there’s a greater capacity to experience good. What it has done, I think, is to help me to focus on things that are more essential. When you’re in contact with so much pain and suffering, it does help you to put things in perspective. The financial problems and other kinds of things that were weighing on me when I came here don’t seem so important. I think it does stretch your heart.

Have these experiences ever tempted you to think there’s something wrong with the church that we just can’t fix?
Well, the church is very human, and in every generation there are different manifestations of that. I’ve been close to the church my whole life. I’ve seen that humanity. Even as a child, I remember we had a priest in the parish who was an alcoholic and had terrible problems with drinking. The pastor would lock the door of the rectory at 8 p.m., and when he would come home drunk, my father and other men in the parish would take care of him. I think it helped me to understand that priests are human.

You never thought, even for a moment, that there’s a fatal flaw in the church revealed by the crisis?
I don’t think that the Lord is going to abandon his church. We’re certainly burdened by our sinfulness, our weakness, and our humanity, but the church is still the sacrament of Christ.

At various points during your time in Boston, some of your friends have been worried about you — about the toll all this was taking on you, both physically and spiritually. Were those concerns exaggerated?
At the beginning, I don’t think so. My family was very concerned. It was daunting.

What was the key to getting through it? Prayer, friends, family … all of those things.

You feel better today? I do. Have you had to get tougher to do this job?
I hadn’t thought about that, but I suppose it’s probably true. To tell you the truth, I haven’t had an assignment yet that’s been easy. In my first diocese, we had a terrible hurricane and the diocese was destroyed. Then I went to Fall River and all the problems there, and then Palm Beach, where I replaced two bishops who had been removed. There were many very difficult decisions that had to be made over the years. Certainly, Boston has been a new challenge, because of the size and the spotlight here — as I told people when I arrived, being the archbishop of Boston is like living in a fishbowl made out of a magnifying glass. When they sent my books from Palm Beach in a truck, I found out they were here because the picture was in the newspaper the next day. Do I have a thicker skin because of all that? I think that with age you grow — if not stronger, maybe a little bit more philosophical.

You’re 67. Do you expect to be in Boston until you’re 75?
If I live that long! I’ve had four dioceses, so I don’t think they’ll give me any more. I have no reason to think I’ll be changed.

Is that a polite way of saying you don’t have any interest in a Vatican job — for instance, running the Congregation for Religious? No interest! Actually, I was happy when they made an American the No. 2 person [Archbishop Joseph Tobin], because I knew they wouldn’t name two Americans in the same office. It meant I was off the hook.

Has your Capuchin spirituality helped you weather the storm?
Oh, yes. If I had not had my religious community and my family, it would have been much more difficult. As a Capuchin, we were always taught in the seminary that the Capuchins were the Marines of the church, meaning that we should be ready to go to the most difficult assignments. I would remind myself of that at certain moments. The Capuchins who are here in Boston are not my province, but they’ve been very good to me. The men from Capuchin College, my former provincials, Archbishop Charles [Chaput, of Philadelphia, also a Capuchin] … many others have been very supportive.

14 Responses to Q & A with Cardinal on Sex Abuse Crisis 10th Anniversary

  1. BobofNewtn says:

    Excellent responses by the Cardinal and BCI, thanks for sharing them with us.

    I do not know how anyone can fault the guy in light of the successes he has accomplished since he took over this train wreck of an archdiocese that became one under Cardinal Law.

    I have renewed hope that Cardinal Sean will be around the RCAB for many years to come because we certainly need a leader like him.

    Enjoy the week ahead folks!

  2. Deidre says:

    Bob, aren’t you the same person who just said Barney Frank did a great job as U.S. Rep for his district and it was good that Fr. Bryan Hehir was on the panel with him?

    I’m thinking whatever you say, solid Catholics should believe the exact OPPOSITE. In other words, the next eight years with a figurehead and no real leadership are going to be realy scary…

  3. lost in boston says:

    Maybe His Eminence should try to speak with some of those who have left those parishes. They’re more peaceful now because we have voted with our feet.

  4. Former employee says:

    As much as I respect the office of Cardinal Archbishop, It’s tough to not call His Emminence’s comment, “Today the debts are paid and we’re in the black” a flat-out lie. If the lay pension plan debt is “paid” it’s because the archdiocese reneged on their commitment to pay what they owed. Didn’t the Cardinal say last spring as long as he had breath in his body he would work to pay off what was owed? He’s apparently still breathing but did nothing to repay what’s owed former employees. The $35 million debt was paid off by selling St. Johns seminary land and buildings and the archdiocese still owes the seminary $40 million for that sale–which is also why the seminary is now out of room To say the debts are paid and they’re “in the black” when that came from essentially defaulting on debt obligations is disingenuous and deceitful. BCI, are you guys losing your edge? I’m disappointed you didn’t call them out on this!!

  5. Ray Neary says:

    “The hospitals were losing 40 million a year”. ??? That statement deserves some elaboration.

  6. Mark Frances says:

    Until the priests return to the pulpit and preach “sin”, there will be no letup in the deterioration of the Catholic Church. Vatican II went to a social justice model (Malachi Martin) for that future world government. Is this what Jesus preached or was it those who took Barrabas?

  7. I fell for him. I really do. He’s in my Rosary intentions. Everybody needs prayers, but him more so. I see similarities with him, his current situation, and Pope Paul VI’s “tortured Hamlet” image. He needs (and tries) to be so much to so many, and it impedes him. I would like for him to just take a step back and look at the big picture, reflect and pray more. (I am sure he does pray, not implying he doesn’t).

    I liked the interview ’cause they really covered a wide range of issues.

  8. FYI: I FEEL for him…

  9. Itstheorientation says:

    “Cultural” Catholics — oh no. They are SOCIAL Catholics–politically correct heathens on the way to hell, just like His MNM.

  10. Mack says:

    I do pray for the Cardinal, and important progress has been made regarding the abuse situation. Yet this interview leaves me feeling he’s tooting his own horn a lot: he as a Capuchin takes on the hardest assignments, etc. etc. I also doubt some of his statements, especially the financial ones. Sure, the “Catholic” hospitals aren’t losing money anymore–because we don’t have real Catholic hospitals. If it’s not official (I’m not saying I know all the legal ins and outs) it will be so when RCAB takes the money and runs. And the pension funds? If everything is so great, why did he treat the Daughters of St. Paul so badly?

    I wish O’Malley would take his own advice and “make sure that the people working with the bishop are people he can really trust.”

  11. Mack says:

    I also don’t believe that priests were encouraging him to close the seminary. Maybe a few here and there, but he’s making it sound like it was the opinion of the majority of the presbyterate. The effect is to make it sound like he’s the hero who believed the seminary could go on…. Does BCI have any inside info about who is really responsible for the turnaround at the seminary?

    • Mack, You are on the right track with your comments regarding the seminary. It was a few pastors who opined that the seminary should have been closed, but not at all the majority of the presbyterate. The turnaround at the seminary can be attributed to several factors. First, the leadership at the seminary–former rector, Fr. John Farren, a Dominican, and current rector Bishop Arthur Kennedy. Second, Cardinal O’Malley does deserve some credit for positioning St. Johns as a regional seminary for New England (rather than just a Boston seminary), inviting the bishops of Fall River, Vermont, Worcester, and Providence onto the seminary board, and using his influence as the senior bishop in New Enghand to urge his fellow bishops to send their seminarians to St. Johns instead of other seminaries elsewhere in the country. There also has been an influx of seminarians from the Neocatechumenal Way, who study at St. Johns but live nearby at the former rectory of St. Lawrence in Brookline. (They are supposed to serve as Boston priests after their ordination, but the number completing the program and actually remaining in Boston has not exactly been in line with expectations). Vocations efforts locally in Boston have also been very fruitful in recent years–attracting healthy numbers of seminarians for both St. Johns and Blessed John XXIII.

  12. Mack says:

    Thank you, BCI, for filling in that information. It’s very helpful and good to know.

  13. Lazarus' Table says:

    It seems like abuse victims have an easier time getting appointment to see the Cardinal than do priests. (Is it true he doesn’t answer mail from priests, or even make appts to see them? He doensn’t preside at many of their funerals.)

    Has he held an annual Mass or prayer service with priests who have been falsley accused?

    He says the former rector, Fr Farren, played a big role in increasing the number of seminarians. Fr Farren also played a big role in the resignation of several seminary faculty.

    Has St John’s Seminary “forgiven” the archdiocese’s debt to it?

    In an act of solidarity with closed or merged parishes, why not merge Bl John XXIII and St John Seminaries?

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