Boston Archdiocese Continuing with Yoga Class

In follow-up of our post several days ago, Boston Archdiocese Offers Yoga, we learned yesterday that the Boston Archdiocese is proceeding with the yoga class, despite concerns and complaints raised.

Below is the email message sent out by Vicar General, Msgr. Deeley:

Message: Dear Friends:

After listening to many of you after our Staff meeting on Tuesday, I thought I would follow up with this note so that we are all clear about what we are doing, and what is involved with the health and wellness program, including the yoga stretching technique.  First of all, I want to thank all of you for your feedback regarding this initiative. I continue to encourage you to share your opinions and ask the questions you think are important, so that we can strengthen our ability to collaborate with each other.

I also want to acknowledge that there are definitely potential problems involved when Catholics engage in spiritual exercises involving the practice of yoga.  The Holy See has articulated those concerns in two important documents which caution against using these Eastern Spirituality methods for prayer. As noted in the documents, Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on Some Aspects of Christian Meditation, issued by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith* and Jesus Christ The Bearer of the Water of Life, issued by the Pontifical Council for Culture and The Pontifical Council For Interreligious Dialogue**, the primary concern is the proliferation of various types of new age spirituality and erroneous forms of prayer.

While recognizing the dangers inherent in some spiritual practices of yoga, particularly those that incorporate eastern philosophy, we are in no way promoting a false religion, pagan worship, or narcissistic spirituality. What we are offering here at the Pastoral Center, quite simply, is a stretching and fitness routine for those who would find it helpful. This is one activity within a health and wellness program that we have developed for the Pastoral Center community. I am told that many good and faithful Catholics incorporate this simple and useful form of physical exercise into their workouts. This type of yoga is apparently also a common part of many physical therapy routines and can offer positive physical results.

This program is a voluntary one which will be held outside of work hours.  Those who suggested it thought it would be a good way of gathering some people together for a common exercise as another means of building relationships within the Pastoral Center.  It is a health and wellness program.  Those who have chosen to do this do so in good faith and with good intentions.  I hope they find it helpful.

I thank you again for your feedback.  At the same time I encourage us all to be supportive of each other as we work together to serve the people of our Archdiocese.

Sincerely yours in Christ,

Msgr. Robert P. Deeley

*http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19891015_meditazione-cristiana_en.html

**http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/documents/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html

That is what the Vicar General has said.  BCI respectfully disagrees and takes issue with what he has written in more ways than time permits us to express today. Here are a few:

  • If the archdiocese wanted to offer a ” stretching and fitness routine” then they should simply offer a “Stretching and Fitness” class that does not have any roots or connection to Eastern spirituality.  There are hundreds of such classes offered in gyms, corporations, and non-profits across the country which are not “yoga.”
  • That “many good and faithful Catholics incorporate this…exercise into their workouts” is not a reason to consider it right, appropriate and justified for the Pastoral Center to promote and encourage it.  BCI is aware than many solid Catholics do yoga for fitness purpose, and each person has their individual reasons–rehabilitation from injury, arthritis, pain, etc.  Several have written to BCI, and posted comments, and we know some Catholics on a personal basis who do yoga.  One person who does yoga for health reasons commented on the health benefits but also said, I “have always found that on my lunch hour, daily Adoration and Mass — which the Pastoral Center offers IN HOUSE — to be by *far* more beneficial than the exercises.”

    Each person, including good and faithful Catholics, has free will to make their own individual decisions. If you want to stretch doing yoga routines in your personal life, BCI is hardly in a position to stop you. But that does not mean that every single thing good and faithful Catholics do–BCI included–is consistent with the will of God or praising and glorifying God–or more important, necessarily appropriate for the Pastoral Center to be sponsoring and endorsing. Furthermore, we are aware that one of the two Pastoral Center employees who took their own lives in 2011 was a part-time yoga professional, so yoga, even in the Pastoral Center, is not without some controversy–justified or not.

  • Beyond the spiritual concerns we raised in our last post and which many readers raised in comments, the NY Times reported a few weeks ago about a sexual scandal associated with yoga: “Yoga fans sexual flames scandal” (Feb 28, 2012)
  • Beyond that, the NY Times  also reported in January on some of the possible negative physical effects of yoga: “How yoga can wreck your body” (Jan. 8, 2012)

Regardless of all of the above, critics of BCI will say, “See, the Vicar General says it is just stretching and fitness–BCI has over-reacted. The Vicar General says yoga is fine.”

Before you comment and say that, consider doing a quick Google search on “stretching routine,” “stretching class,” or “stretching exercises” and see how many millions of results you get that do not have yoga as a part of them.  And before you comment, do us a favor and answer this one question:

If the goal is just offering a “stretching and fitness routine,” why in the world would the Catholic archdiocese not just offer a “Stretching and Fitness” class such as those offered in gyms across the country that is free from any controversial connections to paganism or non-Catholic spirituality. Why not just offer an exercise class totally free from any spirituality, modernism, and the legitimate concerns raised in the Vatican documents referenced and by dozens of people who have written about their personal experience with yoga? 

Regardless of the health and wellness benefits touted by the archdiocese as the basis for the yoga program, BCI maintains our position that the Eastern spiritual roots of yoga make it inappropriate for the Pastoral Center to offer.

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49 Responses to Boston Archdiocese Continuing with Yoga Class

  1. Stephen says:

    NOW Ya talking!
    Its yoga but it isn’t really yoga?

    It begs the question;
    It is the Church but it really isn’t the Church?

    We are witnessing the frosting on the Modernist cake.
    The players and their conscious complicity and culpability for the sell-
    out is debatable. You are however either with The Church
    or you are against her.

    Pray hard.

    • Nathan Barton says:

      Stephen this is not the real Catholic church. Vatican 2 is a counterfeit “catholic church” that was propheseid in the bible along with Our Lady of LaSallete that would come to fruition in the very last days to fool as many “Catholics” as possible and bring them to Hell with the rest of the world. They’re makin a beef about yoga, which they should. But how come none of you were outraged when Antipope JPII and antipope Benedict XVI held “prayer” gatherings with over a hundred leaders of false religions. Such as the one in the eighties and the recent invocations of “Assissi”. PEOPLE WAKE UP!! This is not the Catholic church its a freemasonic and illuminati controlled counterfeit “church” that is Catholic in name only. Do any of you know any of the lives of the saints or Church history at all? What true catholic saint or “Pope” would ever hold a “prayer” gathering with a false religion, let alone go into a synagogue on Good Friday on the same hour Our Lord was crucified and join the jews in “worship”? The answer is none! They would rather die the most painful death then ever do something like that and many did just that. We haven’t had a Catholic pope since Pius XII. But you should know this. This “church” is the abomination of desolation prophesied by Daniel. It is also called in the Apocalypse the “Whore of Babylon” which has all the regalia and visual trappings of the Catholic church but is rife with the crimes of apostasy and heresy. The crime of apostasy in the bible was referred many times as the crime of infidelity or spiritual adultery. That’s why its referred to as the “Whore of Babylon.Go to http://www.vaticancatholic.com and learn the truth

      • Stephen says:

        I know all your arguments and they are compelling.
        Many of us believe that we are in a time of widespread heresy and yes, apostasy as foretold by BVM.

        I would suggest you go to The Slave of the Immaculate Heart of Mary in N.H. they are in full communion with Rome http://catholicism.org/category/the-slaves-of-the-immaculate-heart-of-mary. They also follow Fr. Feeney and much of what he taught.

        The link you offer to the Dimond Brothers site you offer is ill advised. I have little doubt they are holy and virtuous men they however essentially claim they are more Catholic than the Pope.

        Might I also suggest going to

        http://bryanhehirexposed.wordpress.com/

        a few of us have approached the freemasonic issue in the diocese and have had difficulty getting traction on the matter. Perhaps you could help us out?

        The Good Lord may have brought yoga to the diocese in order to truly expose the nature of the heretics in our midst.
        I for look forward to hearing more of your thoughts, you are not alone.

      • Stephen says:

        Correction on previous post: The Good Lord may have allowed (certainly not brought) yoga…

  2. Newt says:

    Does Cardinal O’Malley know about this?

    I simply want to be careful not to assume that Cardinal O’Malley knows and approves of this Yoga Class without evidence.

    Sometimes members of the clergy have been known to do their own thing without so much as a “by your leave” from their religious superiors.

    • c says:

      Does Cardinal O’Malley know about this?

      Have you been following his tenure here?

      The only thing the Cardinal works on is his own self esteem and how much money is in the coffers. He intentionally remains ignorant of anything else. When the poo hits the fan, hecan say he knows nutting.

      It is an ancient game.

      • Newt says:

        I am a newbie here and did not intend to give offense. I guess I shall have to go back to the beginning of this blog and follow the Cardinal’s “tenure.” :-)

    • BobofNewtn says:

      I will write the Cardinal and let him know about this; however, I suspect he probably reads BCI and even had prior knowledge of the “class”.

      Although I was successful in “leaking” the fact of Cardinal Law’s birthday bash to The Herald and The Globe, I cannot get the “yoga scandal” out on to the public media. A source from The Herald laughed when I told him about this scandal and said: “Are you kidding me?” The response from another journalist friend cannot be printed here.

      I take as factual the Pope’s objection and, that fact alone, should have given the RCAB pause before it endorsed exercises of that type. Additionally, the fact that this exercise is done during work is, in and of itself “scandal” in my opinion. Who in he’ll do these people think they are, State “employees”

      For those two reasons alone, I think the “yoga scandal” should be publicized and I just wish I had the ability to do so.

      Happy St. Patrick’s day to you all. I am in mid-flight now on my way to the celebration in Chicago!

  3. Why not say the rosary while/for meditating and then say the saint Michael prayer before and after the excercise??

    • c says:

      That is a splendid idea. Maybe the Vicar General can bring in a sorcerer to talk Bout home remedies for constipation and youcan recommend it all goes forward with a Glory be to the Father.

      • JerryB says:

        Careful there – if the remedy works it could be a bad scene at the Pastoral Center.

        (Sorry. I couldn’t resist.)

    • Jack O'Malley says:

      My understanding, strictly anecdotal though it be, is that yoga does relieve constipation, albeit often to the mortification of the yoga practitioner.

      But, on second thought, mortification is a recommended exercise in Catholic mysticism.

      Well, O’Deeley, you’re on the mark there. Just have the grace bestowed of Krishna and deign to provide the necessary hygienic accoutrements to the embarrased “stretchers”.

      • JerryB says:

        OK Jack, I’m mortified. Then again, usually a Pall Mall and a cup of espresso will do. Oh shiva – smoking’s a sin, right?

      • Jack O'Malley says:

        LOL!

        Alas! If only this were a laughing matter.

        Rebuke him O God, we humbly pray, and thou, prince of the heavenly host, by the Divine Power, cast into Hell Satan and the other evil spirits who wander in the world for the perdition of souls.

        Can it be doubted that the Fall of the Church dated from the evisceration of the liturgy?

  4. Confused Catholic says:

    I’m with Stephen and am confused. So, is the Vicar General saying there’s basically “some yoga” that’s bad, and that’s different from “good yoga”?

    He’s acknowledging the problems and dangers with “some spiritual practices of yoga” that incorporate eastern philosophy and promote a false religion, pagan worship, or narcissistic spirituality. To BCI’s credit, that’s validating the original BCI post and underlying concerns. But, is the Vicar General also saying, “don’t worry, be happy”–the archdiocese is only offering “good yoga”?

    How is a Catholic to know if they’re doing yoga that’s bad or good when it’s all just called “yoga”? If they’re offering “yoga” in the Pastoral Center that isn’t really yoga, then why are they offering “yoga”?

    • Jonathan of the Cross says:

      You do know the Vicar General worked in the next office to Benedict for 10 years. To say Msgr. doesn’t know what the Holy father is thinking would be very strange.

      • C says:

        What a hoot.

        You don’t know a thing about the Roman’s either.

        LOL

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/29/vaticans-exorcist-yoga-is-satanic_n_1118965.html

      • Confused Catholic says:

        Jonathan,
        I didn’t say Msgr doesn’t know what the Holy Father is thinking. I don’t know what Msgr does or doesn’t know. He’s no longer in the Vatican at the CDF with Cardinal Ratzinger, so maybe he’s already being influenced by the lukewarm Catholicism at the Pastoral Center that we read about here.

        All I said was that Msgr. Deeley acknowledged the problems with yoga but he then said they’re going ahead and doing it anyway because he claims it isn’t really “yoga” they’re offering–just stretching–even though they say they’re offering “yoga.”

        It sounds to me from his message like the Vicar General doesn’t actually understand what yoga is or isn’t – and he also doesn’t really know what they’re actually offering in the Pastoral Center. “Those who suggested it thought it would be a good way of gathering some people together for a common exercise as another means of building relationships within the Pastoral Center.” They should go for a weekly walk in the park instead.

  5. Michael says:

    The Vicar General has just lost the credibility that BCI had graciously extended him when he arrived in Boston. He is no different than the rest. He has little courage if he can’t handle this simple issue better than he has in this letter.

    Is it not at the very least confusing to have the Vatican saying yoga is bad and Deeley saying Yoga is good? It depends on what “is” is … I guess.

    A man of courage would have admitted the truth of the confusion being created and made the moral decision to change the yoga classes to simply stretching and fitness training — in order to avoid any possible confusion. Problem solved.

    But instead Deeley chose the “circle the horses” approach that the Archdiocese is known for. I have very little faith (as BCI once dreamed) that Deeley will do much to clean house here in Boston. We do not need more morally weak priests here in the Archdiocese. We need men with courage willing to make difficult moral decisions. Deeley is not one of those men. On the scale of difficult moral issues facing the Archdiocese, this was a relatively easy decision. He failed. God help us when he is asked for his opinion on the more challenging moral issues.

  6. Suzanne says:

    What most deeply troubles me is that Msgr. Deeley has announced this class “in honor of Richard Ely, who was a dedicated student of yoga”. In light of the tragic way in which Mr. Ely’s life ended, one would think Msgr. Deeley would not encourage in others the realities to which Mr. Ely was dedicated.

  7. Why can’t they just build a conventional gym with workout machines and exercise equipment? At least that’s not against Catholic teaching.

  8. Carol says:

    What a crock. You don’t need a yoga guru to teach stretching. You call a fitness center or a gym and employ a fitness expert.

    This is like saying they are employing a prostitute to do deep tissue massages.

    Mother of God – come to our aid.

    I did not know Monsignor was capable of such outlandish malarkey. Is he expecting rational people to accept this chicanery?

  9. Carol says:

    Trust and credibility is GONZO.

  10. Anni says:

    This may be a bit off-topic, but then maybe it isn’t…

    I attended one of the regional consultations on the PSTs a couple of weeks ago. The presenters, all good and decent priests, deacons and laymen, spent a lot of time talking about “services” to parishes under the new PST configuration. There was a lot of emphasis on finances, which is important, and how other services would be coordinated in the new parish groups. Not one thing was said about Mass, especially daily Mass.

    At the end of the presentations there was some time for questions and I decided to jump into the fray. I asked if anyone had given consideration to how daily Mass schedules would be arranged. I made specific reference to PSTs out in the hinterlands of the Archdiocese, and to my proposed PST which will incorporate three parishes with churches between 6-8 miles from each other. I asked how daily Mass would be accommodated given that each PST may have two priests at the beginning, but could be “served” by one priest in the near or intermediate future. The presentation had clearly indicated that the Archdiocese had determined that ONE priest would ultimately serve 1600 people, and that’s just about how many parishioners are currently in my proposed PST. I asked about Mass and I stated that it was important that EVERY parishioner in the Archdiocese should have daily Mass “reasonably” available and that 7 am Mass should be available at least in adjoining PSTs. I stated that the loss of daily Mass in many of our parishes was directly related to the shortage of vocations and that an entire generation, and possibly two generations, of Catholics have grown up with the belief that attending Mass on Sunday was ‘good enough’.

    And this brings me back to my not-so-off-topic comment. The response to my question was as follows: “One of the adjustments we will have to make is to Mass schedules both on weekends and during the week. Daily Mass will not always be possible”.

    So we have the resources for a yoga class at the Chancery but we are going to have to “adjust” to not having Mass?

    Something is wrong here…

  11. Lazarus' Table says:

    I would have thought rcab would have abandoned its ‘do not admit error’ philosophy but poor Msgr Deeley seems to have been placed into the posiiton of spin doctor. (Have they also concluded, with Pres Clinton, that oral sex is not really sex? Guess depend who’s doing it, and in what rectory…)

  12. bitsnbytes says:

    Is this supposed to be a permanent fixture at the Pastoral Center, or a short-term series? I can understand some reluctance to scrap the program, since it was announced as a memorial gesture for a deceased employee. Can it run for 8 weeks, sanitized of pagan associations as Msgr. Deeley promises, take a summer break and never resume? In the long run, this may not be all that important.

    It might be more beneficial for the RCAB to think about the mental health needs of Pastoral Center employees, including suicide prevention.

    • c says:

      Permit me to introduce you to the elephant in the room. Monsignor has just desensitized an occult practice to a bunch of uncatechized women and sissies in the chancery by saying you can practice it without harm. The man he is honoring who practiced it committed suicide.

      His conduct as a spiritual physician is outrageous. The effect of his sophistry could harm thousands of souls.

  13. Johan says:

    BCI has lost its credibility with me. You guys are making a big deal out of this. I agree with you, we shouldn’t have this Yoga. But the fact that BCI thinks Rock Music in the Sanctuary is not a serious problem – not more serious than this Yoga class – is beyond me.

    Like I says to ya B4: This Yoga class will be in a small obscure room with few participants. But the Rock Band in the Sanctuary will be in the Sanctuary. It will do more damage to the spirituality of the people than Yoga will. Who cares if Rock Music “gets them to confession and the Eucharist.” So would brainwashing, and teasing, drugging, and hypnotizing them. Should we do that, BCI? Better if we let Truth draw them in.

    Sorry BCI to trouble you, but I’m through with you. You will tolerate corruption in the liturgy and in the sanctuary if it seems to keep the church afloat. If BCI took over the RCAB, BCI would just bring in its own corruption and say, “Look how great we are! We saved the Church!!”

    I say again: time to close shop at BCI. Over a year into this blog, and you ain’t much different than those you are criticizing.

    • Johan, Sorry you feel this way about BCI. This is the first you have posted comments here or written to us, and the first time someone has asked us to post on that topic since we have been blogging.

      We have not personally attended or first-hand heard the “rock band” in the cathedral, nor has anyone said anything to us. We have focused at BCI on timely reporting of matters that the bloggers and our network see and hear first-hand and on topics/tips passed to us that we can independently verify. We apologize if we have somehow unintentionaly given the impression we know every single thing going on everywhere in the Boston Archdiocese, we have infinite time available, and we selectively decide what we want to blog about drawing from omniscient awareness of all Boston happenings. The reality is that there are more topics we could blog about than time permits, and we do not have visibility to every problem that merits attention.

      If you have been reading BCI for a while, why did you not just suggest we cover this in December when the tour happened? It is a bit late now for us to report retrospectively on what happened 3-4 months later, when it is also too late for us to offer first-hand observations and perspectives. While we are considering how to handle this, do you feel BCI should also be compiling an inventory of rock music at each individual parish in Boston where it is a part of a liturgy and reporting on the liturgy at each parish, or just the cathedral?

      BCI did not mean to come across as dismissive of the concern. We do agree that kind of music is not appropriate, and will take the topic up at another time. Since you are passionate about this topic, please consider submitting a guest post with full details and documentation.

  14. Capt Crunch73 says:

    I’m not a fan of GB but this video certainly seems appropriate…

    http://wdtprs.com/blog/2012/03/interesting-glen-beck-video/

  15. Angry Parish Council Member says:

    The respect I had for Msgr. Deeley, largely based on BCI’s endorsement and enthusiasm for him, is gone. His message says he knows yoga is spiritually dangerous and if you do yoga you’re playing with fire, spiritually. But because some people get health benefits from doing yoga, he’ll overlook the issues with it being associated with false religion and pagan worship, and instead supports it. With this move, what a tremendous disappointment he has become as a leader.

  16. Jack O'Malley says:

    So Deeley’s first chancery encyclical turns out to be his Epistle to the Idolaters.

    What will he do for an encore? Perhaps santería in the sanctuary? A pentagram on the pulpit? Hieros gamos at Vespers in the cathedral? The cult of the seven chakras (Sanskrit: चक्रं, cakraṃ) at Benediction?

    That the chancery is infested and the hierarchy possessed is not beyond belief. The boy buggering was just the initial symptom. How high the evil extends has not yet been revealed. But it will be manifest in time.

    On Good Friday, Traditional Catholics will be silently praying the Improperia:

    Hagios ho Theos. Hagios Ischyros. Hagios Athanatos. Eleison himas. …. My people … you have become exceedingly bitter to Me: for with vinegar you have slaked My thirst, and with a lance you have pierced the side of your Saviour.

  17. Jonathan of the Cross says:

    OK, Enough of this crazy waste of your time on this silly issue. Many dishes of Chinese food were created as gifts for the gods, and offered to them in worship. The next thing you will condemn is Chinese food. You have no idea to what god that egg fo yung has been offered to, so maybe if we eat it its a mortal, or a venial sin. Let’s discuss this for at least 5 years, and eat at McDonald’s until the canon lawyers figure this out.

    • Carol says:

      You are either a non-catholic or you have been blinded to the dangers of this occult practice. How sad.

      Suffice it to say, the wizards at the Chancery have not heard enough about this matter.

      Rest in that riddle.

      • Martina says:

        In honour of feast of St. Patrick and a beautiful spring day, in a fire log pose,

        Christ be with me (breathe in), Christ within me (breathe out),
        Christ behind me (breathe in), Christ before me (breathe out),
        Christ beside me (breathe in), Christ to win me (breathe out),
        Christ to comfort (breathe in) and restore me (breathe out).
        Christ beneath me (breathe in), Christ above me (breathe out),
        Christ in quiet (breathe in), Christ in danger (breathe out),
        Christ in hearts of all that love me (breathe in),
        Christ in mouth of friend and stranger (breathe out).

        I do not know a better school wherein to model life by incessantly exposing it the diversity of so many other lives, fancies, and nuances, and by making it relish a perpetual variety of forms of human nature

      • Martina,
        We noticed that you did not respond to our question back to you several days ago regarding your comment on our last post:

        http://bostoncatholicinsider.wordpress.com/2012/03/13/boston-archdiocese-offers-yoga/#comment-6537

        We said, “Before we take much time to respond, did you say that your long-time partner is “Donna”? If the lens you are viewing BCI through is one where you do not acknowledge or have respect for the teachings of the Catholic Church, then we are in totally different places, and there really is no point in engaging. You are in the wrong place reading BCI, if indeed you read it regularly.”

        We will ask again, do you acknowledge and agree with the teachings of the Catholic Church? A simple yes or no answer is fine.

        As for the fire log pose you reference, BCI did a quick google search on “fire log pose yoga” and found that would be known as “Agnistambhasana”. Here are among the first few hits that came up:

        http://www.yogamagazine.com/fire-log-pose/

        • Tame the fiery intensity of Agni Stambhasana by holding your ground and breathing deeply. Allow all sensations to rise, letting them ebb and flow through a cool and calm mind.
        • To prepare for this pose, I’d transition from Baddha Konasana.

        http://www.yogajournal.com/poses/2477.

        Reader comment:
        “I agree with Sudevi. I’ve known this as Double Pigeon Pose (Dwi Pada Rajakapotasana) for decades. So many new English names are cropping up for asanas that I wonder why and source of inspiration. Considering logs, recently someone mentioned that in India, a bonfire can draw up the image of the outlawed practice Sati. This westerner continues to learn…”

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_%28practice%29

        “Satī (Devanagari: सती, the feminine of sat “true”; also called suttee) was a religious funeral practice among some Indian communities in which a recently widowed woman would have immolated herself on her husband’s funeral pyre.The practice had been banned several times, with the current ban dating to 1829 by the British…Widows did this because it was supposed to cast away any sins the husband had committed, making him able to have a happy afterlife.”

        If your intent was to make us feel more comfortable about yoga being offered in the Pastoral Center, you did not succeed.

    • JerryB says:

      … and Easter was a pagan goddess. Better skip that feast, right?

      The only one wasting time is yourself. God bless.

    • Stephen says:

      A few Modernist techniques:
      Deconstruct orthodoxy into debatable arguments.
      Use false metaphors and false dichotomies in order to confuse and deceive. Portray those who disagree as uncharitable, intolerant, stupid and un-enlightened. Boldly and falsely claim victory.

      See:
      …silly issue
      …Chinese food metaphor
      …you have no idea (stupid)
      …discussion is futile: 5 years reference
      …issue is irrelevant to The Faithful: canon lawyer reference.

      Jonathan of the Cross, you are a victim of a muddled modernist faith or a plant as Monica was. Modernism is the malady of the Boston diocese, it is true heresy.

      • Stephen says:

        Correction: Martina not Monica.
        St. Patrick drove the snakes out of Ireland and died in the year 432 A.D. Tis’ fitting indeed that he is our patron here.
        Put that in your pipe and breath it in.

    • Jack O'Malley says:

      Are you really proposing to eat at the McDonald’s beef joint? While Bob O’Deeley is blessing a pagan Hindu rite on the occasion of the feast of St. Patrick, who drove the snakes out of Ireland?

      Beef is ecumenical anathema. You are advocating an iniquity, an abomination, an infamy.

      No novus ordo “catholic” can eat beef (except thrice daily during Lent) since such violates the Vatican 2 “spirit” of ecumenism and the obligatory worship of multiple gods. Heretic! Thou art anathema!

      On a saner note, would that the accursed O’Deeley snakes had been driven out with their serpentine progenitors! We’d have been spared this present vicar apostate.

  18. anonymous says:

    I believe Msgr. Deeley’s reply to our objection, should be of great concern to devout Roman Catholics. Why bring into the Pastoral Center a program that can open up the possibility of evil entering in. Msgr. Deeley refers to the Holy Father’s concerns, but still acts, along with the Cardinal, to allow this to go forward. I thing that going against the teaching of the Holy Father is just another reason why the Diocese is in such poor shape. They don’t listen to anyone but themselves.

  19. Boston Priest says:

    I agree with “anonymous” that Msgr. Deeley’s response to the objections should be of great concern. The possibility of evil entering via the program should outweigh the desire of a group of Pastoral Center employees for another way of building relationships.

    BCI, Msgr. Deeley, and others have missed something in the original notice that I think is critically important. It says:

    “No prior yoga experience is required, just an interest in increasing the fitness level of your body and mind.”

    So, this is not “quite simply, a stretching and fitness routine” for the body. It also was promoted as increasing the fitness level of THE MIND. How would increasing the fitness level of the mind happen without some spiritual dimension to the yoga class–of the nature Msgr. Deeley warned had inherent dangers?

    Though I must respect the canonical office of the Vicar General and Moderator of the Curia, I believe Msgr. Deeley has made the wrong decision. Either he’s been fooled by the Pastoral Center employees into believing this is not really a yoga class, or he’s succumbed to what ret. Bishop Gracida of Texas calls “The Boston Virus.” Either way, it doesn’t look good for us here in Boston.

  20. Mack says:

    Msgr. Deeley’s statement is inconsistent and this troubles me. As I read it, I felt with a sinking heart that any hopes we had placed in him are fizzling out.
    He acknowledges the concerns about the spiritual dimensions of yoga that are at variance with Catholic teaching and practice. Then he says it’s just stretching and fitness. I agree fully with BCV that if it’s only that, why even call it yoga? I’m praying to St Michael that all this nonsense will be swept out of the Church.

  21. Name says:

    pilates is a good alternative

  22. BCI,
    You shall have no other gods before me.
    You shall not make for yourself a graven image,
    or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above,
    or that is in the earth beneath,
    or that is in the water under the earth;
    you shall not bow down to them or serve them;
    for I the LORD your God am a jealous God,
    visiting the iniquity of the fathers
    upon the children to the third and the fourth
    generation of those who hate me,
    but showing steadfast love to thousands of those
    who love me and keep my commandments.

    Another thought…Would the archdiocese ok employees watching pornography as long as we only focus on the exercise aspect of it and that we would only do it to give us peace and tranquility? If we say prays during watching pornography does that mean the demonic spirit will not enter? Yoga is worshiping a false god whether you pray prayers during it or not and according to the Word of God you will bring curses on yourself down to the fourth generation.

    For what it is worth…you gave them a chance. I now think it needs to be elevated to the Pope in Rome to address. Also all Catholics that do understand how serious the evil is; that engaging with the occult will bring; should cut off all donations to the archdiocese. We can not support anything that is intrinsically evil even if Msgr. Deeley thinks he can.

  23. Francois Tee says:

    So the way I read this email in response to objections about yoga is
    YES SOME YOGA PRACTICES ARE BAD
    YES THE VATICAN HAS CONDEMNED IT
    BUT
    WE’RE GOING TO HAVE YOGA ClASSES ANYWAY

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